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Originally posted<\/a> on October 12, 2021<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Brian Mulroney was the prime minister the first time Michael Wernick sat at the back of a cabinet committee room, taking notes. One time the young civil servant found himself transcribing John Crosbie\u2019s remarks as the powerful fisheries minister recited arguments Wernick himself had put into Crosbie\u2019s briefing notes. That particular ouroboros of influence was \u201cquite exciting for a young desk officer,\u201d Wernick said in an interview shortly before the recent federal election.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The venue was my back yard. The occasion was the release of Wernick\u2019s new book, Governing Canada: A Guide to the Tradecraft of Politics<\/em> (UBC Press). Wernick was a senior official for decades in Ottawa, a deputy minister under Paul Martin and Stephen Harper. Justin Trudeau made him Clerk of the Privy Council, a position from which Wernick retired amid the SNC-Lavalin controversy in 2019, after Jody Wilson-Raybould<\/a> released a surreptitious recording of a conversation with Wernick.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Wilson-Raybould, clandestine recordings, and the doctrines of independence for attorneys general are not topics of Wernick\u2019s book, and he made it clear he preferred that they not figure in our interview. I relented, mostly. I\u2019ve known Wernick for 26 years. He\u2019s been learning how Ottawa works for longer than that. The lore he\u2019s accumulated, poured between the covers of a slim volume aimed at students of political science, is a valuable contribution to Canadians\u2019 understanding of how they\u2019re governed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u201cI didn\u2019t want to write a memoir,\u201d Wernick said. What came out instead is \u201ca kind of an amalgam of many experiences with different ministers and three prime ministers that I got to work with reasonably closely. I was trying to capture those conversations\u2014what it\u2019s like to sit across from the new minister after swearing in, or some of the conversations that go on. Particularly in the early days of a government as they\u2019re finding their feet or learning their skills.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

For the longest time he couldn\u2019t settle on a format. He finally found a model in Renaissance Florence.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u201cI have a daughter who\u2019s studying political science at U of T. She was doing a political theory course. And she was home for Christmas, but still working on a paper. And one of the things on that second-year political science course, that I took umpteen years ago, is [Niccolo Machiavelli\u2019s] The Prince<\/em>. It\u2019s second-person advice on statecraft. It\u2019s held up for a long time. And that gave me that sort of lightbulb moment. \u2018Oh, I can do something that way. I could do it direct and second-person advice to somebody who\u2019s coming into that position.\u2019 That unlocked the whole thing for me.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The resulting book is nearly devoid of juicy insider gossip\u2014never Wernick\u2019s style\u2014but full of pithy advice to political leaders in general. \u201cIf you can end a meeting early and gain a sliver of time,\u201d he tells prospective prime ministers, \u201cget up and leave.\u201d And, elsewhere, \u201cIt is rarely to your advantage to meet the premiers as a group.\u201d And, ahem, \u201cThe longer you are in office, the more courtiers you will attract.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

From various perches in the senior ranks of the public service, Wernick watched three prime ministers land in the top job and try to figure out how to govern. \u201cThere is a skill set involved in governing,\u201d he said. \u201cWe seem to expect people to learn that skill set on the job quickly, without a lot of help.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

And yet the days after a gruelling election campaign are nearly the worst time to be starting a new job. \u201cOne of the things I try to emphasize is the human element of it. People come in off an election campaign, exhausted. Physically exhausted. And in a state of considerable disruption. Often they\u2019re new to being a minister. They\u2019re also new to being an MP. They have to make decisions about their family, relocate or not to Ottawa. They\u2019re changing locations. They\u2019re changing careers, fundamentally. And I was always warning public service colleagues, \u2018You have to allow for that. Allow for some of that exhaustion and shock.\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

New governments have only a few weeks to get up to speed. And habits that are formed early are not likely to be substantially revised later, with the benefit of hindsight. By then it\u2019s too late. \u201cThe Prime Ministers I saw settled into the job very quickly. But then it\u2019s hard to change. They get into a comfort zone or routines and patterns. It\u2019s a very human thing to do. So part of my purpose in the book is just to say, \u2018Pause and be a little bit mindful of the how<\/em> of governing before it all gets locked in.\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

One of the recurring themes in Wernick\u2019s book is how little time everyone has. A federal cabinet will have 100 hours in a year for all of its plenary discussions. Maybe 120. It\u2019s never enough. \u201cIt\u2019s overbooked from day one until the day they leave. And you\u2019re always making choices: to do one thing means not doing something else. And mindful management of the allocation of time is really important. It can get away on you.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The cabinet is going to need a lot of help. That was Wernick\u2019s job, and that of all his bureaucratic colleagues, as well as countless political staff, operating with different aims and methods. \u201cWhen it works well, you have a certain balance in what I call a triangle between the decision-maker\u2014could be the PM, could be a minister\u2014the support network they get from the public service, and the support network that they get from the political side.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Sometimes the triangle gets out of balance. \u201cThe system gets into trouble when the public service tries to anticipate politics too much. And it clearly gets into trouble when the political side starts trying to run departments administratively. If people keep in their swim lanes and understand each other\u2019s roles, each can add something. I always found it irritating when people chided ministers for being political. They\u2019re supposed<\/em> to be political in a democracy.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I asked Wernick about a favourite Ottawa worry, that the public service is losing its ability to generate new ideas and policies. He didn\u2019t bite. \u201cI think there\u2019s a little bit of a mythology that there was some other time when the great and good mandarins of the town\u2014all white males, by the way\u2014generated the ideas and pushed them towards the political system,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u201cI think there\u2019s a competing narrative that the policy space is much more open and inclusive than it ever was. The costs of entry are much lower. Anybody with a laptop and a Google account can be a policy analyst. When I joined government, we had a quasi-monopoly on the ability to run big simulation models on income-security programs. Now many university professors can do it better.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Besides, \u201cI don\u2019t think it\u2019s really the role of the public service to be the originator of new ideas. Those usually come from democratic politics: \u2018We wish to decriminalize cannabis.\u2019 And then you work through the problem of how to do it competently.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Governing Canada<\/em> includes some pointed advice to cabinet ministers about the fact that they\u2019re probably not going to get a chance to choose the date of their departure from politics. Prime ministers and voters have a way of making those decisions quickly and at inconvenient moments. Did I detect an autobiographical element to these passages?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u201cThat\u2019s largely true of clerks and public servants as well,\u201d Wernick said. \u201cOr hockey coaches. Like, there\u2019s a lot of job jobs where you can\u2019t arrange a perfectly-timed departure. I\u2019m not the only person who\u2019s been backed into a corner where it was impossible to continue to do the job. It\u2019s unfortunate, but it happened.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u201cBut it\u2019s happened to other people. Circumstances get away on people. People fall into all sorts of things that make it untenable for them to continue in the job.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

When things got weird for Wernick, did he draw any comfort from those earlier examples?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u201cNo. I mean, that\u2019s not the way I\u2019d put it. I was conscious, during those last few months, that I was drifting towards a zone where I couldn\u2019t do the job anymore. I was becoming part of the story. You have to enjoy at least some basic level of trust from the opposition leaders. I didn\u2019t have that. And that just made it impossible to carry on.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

If he had a do-over, would he handle SNC-Lavalin differently? \u201cThat\u2019s probably for another day, in another interview. I did not pick up on some of the warning signs about the trouble that was coming\u2026. But I don\u2019t spend a lot of time thinking about that. You work and live in the moment and you do the best you can at the time.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I tried one more question that was a little closer to the concrete example of the current government than to the trends and aphorisms Wernick\u2019s book prefers. In the book, he writes to a hypothetical prime minister: \u201cYou will not be successful if you hang on to the same closed circle of close advisors and confidants for your whole time in office. There is an inevitable drift into a comfort zone and a form of groupthink that can create blind spots and put you at risk.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Gee, did he have anyone in mind?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Butter would not melt in Wernick\u2019s mouth as he told me he had no examples from current events. \u201cThe example I was actually drawing on was Stephen Harper in 2011. You know, the opposition leaders [Erin O\u2019Toole and Jagmeet Singh, in the election that had not yet happened when Wernick and I spoke] probably have a transition team, who will give them some advice on how to set things up. And I worked with Derek Burney from the Harper team, and Mike Robinson from the Martin team, and Peter Harder from the Trudeau team.\u201d Those new governments are always \u201cvery conscious and mindful about how they want to set things up.\u201d But re-elected prime ministers \u201ctend to just start up again, with the same people in the same processes. People have argued, and I think I agree, that Stephen Harper missed an opportunity in 2011, to pause and think.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u201cI would say to any Prime Minister, when they\u2019re going into a second or third mandate: \u2018You should pause. It\u2019s going to be different. Think about the processes and the people.\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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